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Part 6: Amazing In Depth Essay About Sopranos Symbolism and Subtext (credit: FlyOnMelfisWall source: thechaselounge.net)

Kennedy and Heidi: Vicarious Patricide as Tony’s Decompensation

At the risk of needless redundancy, I think it’s helpful to summarize Tony’s state of mind going into the episode Kennedy and Heidi. His consciousness is teeming with ancient but recently-agitated memories showcasing his father’s violence and toxic influence, like Johnny shooting a hole through Livia’s hairdo and baptizing him in the act of murder. He’s unable to shake stories of parental neglect leading to tragic outcomes for children. He’s painfully aware of Christopher’s hatred of him and desire for murderous revenge, feelings ultimately rooted in the fact that Tony guided him into the same corrupt existence into which he himself had been led by Johnny, Junior, and company, suggesting a reciprocal, if unconscious, rage by Tony towards those men. His subconscious mind is under constant assault from hats and movie posters and coffee mugs bearing the image of a bloody meat cleaver, an emblem of his own lost childhood innocence and inculcation by his father into his brutal, ugly vocation. He is racked with acute but intense guilt over the role he thinks his life’s example has played in shaping his son’s values and poor sense of self-worth. And he is still repressing a mountain of hurt over the fact that his uncle and second father tried not once but twice to kill him, a repression Melfi warned would someday result in a total collapse of his defense mechanisms, that is, a collapse of his paternal hero-worship and related quest for the macho validation that has prevented him from critically examining his father, uncle, and the men upon whom he modeled his life.
Now consider the circumstances immediately before the crash. Tony and Chris are on a routine drive back from business in Christopher’s new black Cadillac SUV (the first Cadillac Chris has ever owned, incidentally.) The conversation turns to life priorities. Chris, conspicuously clad in a Cleaver hat, specifically mentions how Kaitlyn has changed his priorities, and Tony mentions the “shit with Junior”. So the context is immediately pregnant with the fact that Junior shot and nearly killed Tony within the past year and with the fact that Chris is in a new place of responsibility, a position where he is, for the first time, truly the custodian and trustee for another life.
In a perfectly-timed illustration of just how ill-equipped Chris is to live up to those responsibilities, he nervously and repeatedly fiddles with the car stereo, fidgets, and widens his eyes, telegraphing to Tony that he is high as a kite on drugs. “Comfortably Numb” swells on the sound system as Tony stares at him, the lyrics underscoring that, in that moment, he does not see Chris as a youngster, as the “adorable kid” he once road around in the basket of his bicycle, but as a grown man:
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse Out of the corner of my eye I turned to look but it was gone I cannot put my finger on it now The child is grown, the dream is gone
Chris swerves, and the crash happens seconds later.

Tony as the Child in the Carseat

It’s critical to note that Tony initially manifests every intention of helping Chris, even as he’s fighting his own injuries. “I’m comin’,” he says as Chris asks for help. His expression and demeanor only change when he realizes what Chris means by “help”. “I’ll never pass a drug test,” Chris moans. “What?” Tony asks incredulously as Chris is inhaling his own blood. Almost simultaneously, Tony turns towards the back and sees that a tree limb has penetrated the passenger compartment, lodging in Kaitlyn’s car seat like a spear. While Tony would somewhat exaggerate the size of the branch in later narrations of the event, there’s no question that it was large enough to have impaled or seriously injured an infant.
Even after this warning shot over the bow, Tony apparently intends to help Chris, coming over to the driver’s side and breaking the window when he couldn’t get the door open. He draws his cell phone to call for help but stops when Chris again mentions being doped up, which suggests that Chris is more concerned about the legal consequences of his intoxication than about the fact that he is drowning in his own blood, completely belying his claim to a life newly ordered around the lofty priority of fatherhood.
That’s the moment when Tony forms a genuine murderous intent, an intent that has little to do with Christopher’s animosity towards him or the danger that he might flip. Those are conscious, background motives that help Tony rationalize and make sense of his actions later. But the factor impelling him to end Christopher’s life is his own, fundamental identification with the child who might just as easily have been killed or seriously harmed in that carseat.
To objectify this point, there is a slow pan of the limb sticking through the seat as Tony performs the suffocation, clearly not a shot representing Tony’s vision or gaze at that moment but objectively corroborating the earlier angle when Tony glances back and we see the seat from his point of view. The juxtaposition of these shots – subjective and objective – tells me the carseat is not just a convenient excuse for Tony. This is what he’s really feeling. In this moment, he is the phantom child in that carseat, a child whose safety and well-being come second to his father’s corrupt values and reckless self-indulgence, a child whose soul and humanity are metaphorically impaled by riding in and being taught to drive his father’s black Cadillac.
The exclamation point on the symbolism is provided by Christopher’s hat. Incredibly, it remains on his head throughout the crash and suffocation, its bloody cleaver logo pointing towards Tony when the car comes to rest. As Tony acts consciously on behalf of an innocent child, the symbol of his own lost childhood innocence is directly before him. And, for good measure, the cap and logo stare back at him in the hospital from the gurney laden with Christopher’s bloody clothing and the black bag containing his dead body. (The logo antagonizes Tony a final time from his coffee mug the next morning before he angrily tosses the mug into his backyard woods.)
Several points about the suffocation itself are remarkable. First was the look of absolute depravity on Tony’s face as he watched Christopher struggle to breathe. This look was unlike any ever seen on Tony’s face at any other moment in the series. Even when committing other personal and deadly acts of violence, his face and demeanor had always betrayed a commensurate level of animus, an active, passionate intent. In contrast, he reached through the window and pinched Christopher’s nose – and maintained that hold – with remarkable calm. His face and eyes throughout the suffocation were paradoxically both incredibly intense and completely devoid of human emotion, a look far more disturbing than any look of mere rage he’d ever worn before.
Second, although this act was, in my judgment, clearly about the release of Tony’s pent up rage towards his father figures, the method of killing evokes Livia. Besides her conspiracy with Junior to kill Tony (which she rationalized was for his own good) and general obsession with stories of child deaths, she had once threatened to “smother [her children] with a pillow” to save them from a fate she deemed even worse. Tony grabbed a pillow intending to smother her in the season one finale before nursing home personnel intervened. In Members Only, Tony spoke of being smothered with a pillow as a suitable form of euthanasia. Its functional equivalent at the scene of the crash had a definite vibe of putting Chris out of his own – and everyone’s – misery. So, in killing his “father”, Tony was also paradoxically suffocating his “son”, thereby channeling Livia’s filicidal urges and concept of mercy killing.
The most spine-tingling resonance with the scene comes from two season four episodes where Tony’s deep identification with “innocents” – be they children or animals – once again comes to the fore, as does his appreciation for the consequences of Chris continuing to use drugs. In Whoever Did This, Tony warns Christopher that he “can’t be high on heroine and raise kids.” And in The Strong, Silent Type, after learning that a doped-up Chris accidentally smothered and suffocated Adriana’s dog, Tony ominously snaps, “You suffocated little Cossette? I oughta suffocate you, you prick!” It’s such perfect foreshadowing that the earlier episodes seem to have been written with the outcome of Kennedy and Heidi in mind.

Righteous Retribution as the Explanation for Tony’s Lack of Sorrow

As previously noted, the most troubling aspect of the episode from the standpoint of character consistency and plausibility was not the fact that Tony murdered Chris. It was his vacuous expression during the killing and the fact that he never betrayed a moment’s genuine sorrow or regret afterwards. He remained, in fact, defiantly happy and unconflicted about it, especially to Melfi, and was sincerely troubled that neither she nor anyone else could see how Christopher’s death rescued Kaitlyn from a lifetime of risks and harm that she would naturally suffer as the daughter of a drug addict (and mob captain).
In his therapy scenes with Melfi, real and dream, Tony even makes the very contrast I raise, noting that he’s never felt this way after murdering any other person close to him. He alludes to his sorrow over Pussy and specifically allows that murdering Tony B left him “prostate [sic] with grief.” In effect, Tony himself is revealing that this killing feels righteous and justified to him on an instinctive level and is therefore not one about which he can feel guilt or sorrow.
That sentiment makes no sense if his dominant motives were those he talked about in therapy: Christopher’s animosity and resentment towards him after the Adriana hit and his drug-use and consequent risk to flip. Whatever weight those factors carry in justifying murder in the corrupt “ethics” of the mob (which, in any case, is less than the weight of the transgressions by Pussy and Tony B), they carry absolutely no legitimate moral weight outside it and could not sustain in Tony the sense of just triumph that he felt in response to Christopher’s death. What could inspire that sense of triumph is the perceived liberation of a child from a dangerous and toxic father, experienced subconsciously as vicarious retribution for the abuse and harm he himself suffered at the hands of his own father and uncle.

Significance of the Names “Kennedy” and “Heidi”

“Kennedy” and “Heidi” are the names of the young passenger and driver, respectively, in the car that sideswipes Christopher’s SUV before the fateful crash. The girls are barely onscreen a few seconds, just long enough to (somewhat artificially) learn their names in the following exchange:
Kennedy: Maybe we should go back, Heidi! Heidi: Kennedy, I’m on my learner’s permit after dark!
Much forum debate after the first airing of the episode centered around the significance, if any, of these names. I propose a related but even more basic question: why are the girls present in the scene at all?
Tony’s windfall opportunity to murder Chris and pass it off as death from accidental injury was entirely dependent upon being unobserved by others after the crash. Given Christopher’s intoxicated state and inattention to the curvy road while he fiddled with radio controls, a mere swerve and over-correction or swerve to avoid an animal (Tony’s crash with Adriana, anyone?) would have easily sufficed to trigger the accident but without the problematic involvement of another car, the driver of which would have to be made to flee the scene illegally and in contravention of the ethics and instincts of at least 95% of the motorists on the road. So the very fact that another car is involved, complicating both the story and the filming, suggests some symbolic or subtextual design to the involvement related specifically to the momentous event occurring right after the crash.
One aspect of that design is revealed and amplified when a grieving Kelly shows up at Christopher’s wake with dark hair framing her face and large, dark sunglasses covering her eyes. A member of the crew remarks, “Look at her. Like a movie star.” An odd look immediately crosses Tony’s face as he spontaneously responds, “Jackie Kennedy”, noting Kelly’s resemblance to the widow of John F. Kennedy.
In my mind, this striking moment in the episode can have only one purpose, and that’s to evoke Johnny Boy in relation to Christopher via a kind of symbolic math. If Kelly = Jackie Kennedy, then Chris = JFK = Johnny Boy since JFK was the explicit parallel figure for Johnny in In Camelot, the first episode of the series depicting cracks in the foundation of Tony’s paternal hero worship. When that foundation completely crumbles inside Tony’s subconscious a season and a half later, it’s entirely fitting that the JFK/Johnny parallel is renewed.
As for the name “Heidi”, most folks around these parts felt it was meant to evoke the idea of “orphan” because of the famous Swiss orphan tale of the same name and because Kaitlyn (and Paulie) both lost parents in the episode. That’s an entirely plausible analysis that requires no expansion, although I’m inclined to think there’s more to it than that, starting with the analogy of Tony himself to “Heidi”. No, Tony was never technically orphaned, though he arguably suffered more as the son of Johnny and Livia than if he had been. He was certainly deprived of real parental love and guidance, on both sides, and that roughly equates to the definition of “orphan”.
Before discussing this episode for the first time, I never knew that Heidi was the story of an orphan, only that it was some kind of tale for children. And I knew that only because of the epic 1968 football game between Joe Namath’s Jets and the Oakland Raiders, the climactic ending of which (an improbable comeback by the Raiders) was cut off abruptly for television viewers at the end of its scheduled broadcast slot so that a movie version of Heidi could begin airing on time. I was only four at the time of this debacle but recall my parents talking about it – and the considerable chaos it caused at NBC and at telephone switchboards around the country – for years afterwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Game
It wouldn’t become clear until the end of Made In America, but there’s an obvious parallel to the Heidi phenomenon in the wind-up of The Sopranos. Consider that, like the Heidi Game broadcast, Made in America featured an abrupt, unexpected termination of excruciatingly tense action at a penultimate moment, pre-empting audience experience of what appeared to be an imminent and momentous climax. The Sopranos ending may not have disabled an entire telephone network, but it certainly generated an enormous amount of controversy that, for better or worse, persists to this day.
Beyond that, there were enough other football references in the final Sopranos episodes, and especially Jets references, to warrant further consideration of this football connotation for “Heidi”. In Remember When, Tony’s betting losses on Jets football games prompt his call to Hesh for a bridge loan. Later that same episode, Paulie annoys Tony and company with yet another old tale, this one relating how, after witnessing Joe Namath stagger drunk into a bar the night before a game, he bet a load of cash the following day on the Jets’ opponent. In Chasing It, Tony gets inside information on a Jets football game and is irate when Carmela refuses to bet money on it. The episode features a closeup of a large newspaper headline, “Jets Bomb Chargers”.
In Blue Comet, then-current coach of the Jets, Eric Mangini, makes a cameo appearance in Vesuvio, with Artie informing a suitably-impressed Tony so the two can go over and shake hands. News articles at the time clarified that the cameo wasn’t Mangini’s idea but the idea of Sopranos producers, who contacted him months in advance and made accommodations in the shooting schedule around his availability. So this seemed more than a casual desire to have some generic celebrity show up.
That especially seems true considering Mangini was given no dialog and that his meeting with Tony and Artie was only depicted in the silent background of a conversation between Charmaine and Carmela. Mangini’s only purpose on set was apparently to show his face briefly and to have the fact of his identity (Tony has to tell a bewildered Carm that Mangini is the head coach of the Jets) permeate the minds of the audience and the subtext of the scene, which is ultimately about chickens coming home to roost on Tony and Carmela because of the lives they chose.
As alter egos for Tony and Carmela throughout the series, folks who took the proverbial “other path” in life, Artie and (especially) Charmaine engage in subtle gloating in the scene. Football coaching was firmly established as Tony’s “road not taken” in Test Dream, so having an actual football coach present in the episode where the unsavory and downright deadly consequences of his chosen vocation are crashing in all around him provides dramatic ballast. All the better to have the coach in the scene be the coach of the team involved in the Heidi game in view of the ending planned for the following episode.
And speaking again of that ending, the wall behind Tony in Holsten’s is consumed with four large murals specifically brought in by the production crew for the shoot. The largest and most centered depicts a huge, light-colored building with lots of windows, somewhat reminiscent of the Inn at the Oaks in Tony’s coma dream. It’s apparently a high school, however, as it is flanked on either side by images of football players in full uniform with what appear to be names and year of graduation engraved at the bottom. To the side and extreme left is a mural of a tiger and the caption “Class of 1973” at the bottom. The tiger is presumably the mascot for the team and school represented in the other murals. So there is a strong symbolic presence of “football” in the last scene of the series, particularly of high school football from roughly the era when Tony would have entered high school.
Finally, though it may be completely insignificant, when Tony tells Carm about the accident from his hospital stretcher in Kennedy and Heidi, he mentions that he re-injured his knee, “the one from high school.” That certainly sounds like a reference to an old high school football injury.
If these loose strands from multiple episodes are indeed intended to connote football in relation to the name “Heidi”, what does that actually mean in the context of the episode Kennedy and Heidi? What does football have to do with Tony killing Chris or, more precisely, with him killing his father in the guise of Chris?
The linchpin in that symbolism, it seems to me, is Tony’s old high school football coach, the guy who would have been his coach when he originally injured his knee, the guy Tony dreamt repeatedly of trying to silence or kill, the guy whose puzzling duality in Test Dream suddenly makes sense when he’s viewed as a classic, Freudian composite of opposites, specifically a composite of Tony’s opposing father figures with Johnny dressed in the physiognomy of Coach Molinaro by Tony’s subconscious in order to render acceptable imagery of his latent, patricidal feelings.
If you further allow, as I do, that the Johnny look-alike shooting at Tony with a scoped rifle (ala Oswald/”Kennedy”) in that same dream is yet another Freudian “reversal into the opposite” by Tony’s subconscious to disguise his repressed paternal rage, then the Kennedy/Heidi connection is pretty clear. The names are presented proximate to the crash to connote that, in killing Chris, Tony has finally acted out the Test Dream imagery that haunted him for years: he has (symbolically) killed his father, the “Kennedy” and “Heidi” of his dream.

“He’s Dead”

In my judgment, this explains Tony’s otherwise puzzling, peyote-induced insight when he proclaims, “He’s dead,” after winning at roulette on 3 successive spins, prompting him to fall to the floor in spectacular and uncontrollable laughter. What other, real death could have inspired such a euphoric and epiphanic reaction? What real death could Tony only have appreciated while in a drug-induced, altered state of consciousness?
Many felt the line referred to Christopher because he’d just died, obviously, and because Tony’s gambling luck suddenly changed afterward. That analysis never made sense to me.
First, Tony plays roulette at the casino while sober when he first arrives in Vegas and loses every round. Chris was already dead at that time, as Tony well knew and accepted. Indeed, Tony was never in any state of denial about Christopher’s death (or about having killed him.) He embraced it, both consciously and in his dream therapy session with Melfi after the crash.
The “he’s dead” insight occurs only after Tony takes peyote and notices a sudden and complete about-face in gambling luck. Why would he need psychedelic drugs to suddenly realize what he already knew and accepted about Chris? And why would Christopher’s death be tied in his mind to his own gambling luck anyway? No prior connection between those two things had ever been suggested.
On the other hand, Tony’s sudden escalation in gambling, which coincided with the agitation and intensification of his latent rage towards his father(s), could easily be seen as a subconscious rebellion against the stern, anti-gambling lecture Johnny imparted the night Tony witnessed the cleaver incident. To the extent that the rebellion results in huge financial losses and self destruction, it obviously fails. His father retains ultimate power and authority. To the extent the rebellion results in huge winnings, it succeeds, and Tony vanquishes his father.
That conquest was the ineffable and elusive “high” that Tony was subconsciously pursuing in Chasing It but which he could not articulate to Melfi. Thus the sudden change in gambling fortune on his Vegas trip is easily tied in Tony’s drug-altered psyche to a euphoric realization that he has conquered or symbolically killed his father, none of which Tony could appreciate without a vastly altered state of consciousness.
And that leads to why he went to Vegas in the first place. He asks that question out loud to the Vegas prostitute, Sonia, immediately before admitting that Christopher once mentioned taking peyote with her. Tony then confesses to having always wanted to try the drug.
Clearly, then, he didn’t just happen to pick Vegas and didn’t just happen to make contact with this girl. His subconscious was pushing him to that venue because he craved the enlightenment of a peyote experience. So while Tony’s real motives for the murder, and for his otherwise inexplicable jubilance afterward, were completely closed off to his conscious mind, somehow he sensed their existence and yearned to unlock and understand them. However his peyote revelations didn’t stop with simply understanding why he killed Chris.

“I Get It. I Get It!”

Tony’s desert epiphany is a bookend to his near-death coma experience and, I believe, can only be fully understood in relation to it. Yet exploring that relationship is a journey all unto itself, calling not only for consideration of the coma episodes and Kennedy and Heidi but the meaning of the cut to black that ends the series. While exploring the religious and spiritual underpinnings of those episodes is of even more weight and interest to me personally than the issue of Tony’s motives in killing Christopher, it deserves and demands its own, dedicated discussion. For now, I’d simply like to posit what I strongly believe Tony’s epiphany to have been with only minimal argumentation as to why I hold that belief.
The epiphany is presaged when Tony enters the casino on his peyote trip and notes that the roulette wheel is built on the same principle as the solar system. The ball spins round and round the center or “sun” of the wheel because of two delicately-balanced but largely opposing phenomena: the momentum of the ball (which, without the wheel, would carry the ball away in a straight line) and the centripetal force of the wheel (applied by the rim, which continuously pulls the ball towards the center even as the ball’s momentum continuously pulls it on a path perpendicular to the centripetal force.) The antagonism (or cooperation, if you prefer) of the forces gives rise to a unified system: an orbit.
If this sounds a bit like the Bell Labs scientist’s explanation of how two tornadoes are in fact just facets of one, unified system of wind, it’s likely no mere coincidence. As Hal Holbrook’s character argued, separateness is a mirage. The universe, and everything in it, is one big soup of molecules interacting in cause/effect fashion according to laws, making it one whole, not a bunch of discrete parts. “Everything is everything,” as the black rapper reduced it.
That was the philosophy that really made an impression on Tony in the days and weeks following his coma. The principles of quantum physics articulated by Holbrook’s character are likely as close as you can get to a scientific codification of Bhuddism and therefore reinforced much of what the Bhuddist monks conveyed to Tony in his coma. The monks laughed when Tony claimed he wasn’t Finnerty and explained that there really is no “you” and “me, that death would bring an obliteration of individuality. Separate consciousness – and the consciousness of separateness – is an illusion of the living.
So all this laid the philosophical groundwork for Tony’s Las Vegas trip. In that trip, Tony seeks out a girl with whom Chris had slept, then sleeps with her himself. He mentions having refrained from a longstanding desire to try peyote because he always felt the weight of his responsibilities, an implied contrast to Christopher, who always indulged in drugs despite his responsibilities. The idea that Tony was seeking to almost live life in Christopher’s skin in the Las Vegas portion of the episode was something several posters mentioned in first discussions after Kennedy and Heidi aired. Even the girl, Sonia, remarks how similar Tony and Chris are, a somewhat dubious observation that somehow offends Tony but which also helps define his impending epiphany.
That epiphany is spurred when the rising sun flares at him over the desert mountain vista. This recalls Tony’s earlier comparison of the roulette wheel to the solar system. It also resonates completely with the fact that Kevin Finnerty was a solar heating salesman from Kingman, Arizona, a town which, not coincidentally, lies 95 miles southeast of Las Vegas and shares the same desert landscape. Also not coincidental, IMO, is the fact that in the prior episode, Christopher spoke of the perks of joining witness protection and of “living large” in Arizona.
So I believe that, in that desert sunrise on the cusp of Arizona, in fulfillment of his identity as Kevin Finnerty, solar heating salesman, Tony saw his “son” – Christopher – “rise” and realized that, in murdering him days before, he (Tony) was really “rising” as a “son” against Johnny Boy. And in that linkage, he suddenly realized that “everything is [indeed] everything.” He is both Chris and Johnny Boy, both abused and misguided son and abusing, misguiding father. He is murdering uncle and would-be murdered nephew. He is both the mother that sees suffocation as mercy killing and the son who is suffocated. Christopher is both his son and his father. Johnny Boy is Coach Molinaro. “Kennedy” is “Heidi”. Opposites are really two sides of the same coin. In that fleeting moment of insight, Tony was truly feeling “one” with the universe.

The Second Coming

The episode following Kennedy and Heidi is titled The Second Coming after the Yeats poem that grips AJ in the English lit class he’s auditing. While the poem speaks to the bleakness of his depression and outlook on life at that particular time, there’s little doubt that – like everything of substantial weight in the Sopranos universe – it ultimately relates, first and foremost, to Tony. First referenced in the Cold Cuts therapy session dealing with pent-up rage where Tony’s deep shame from the cleaver incident is finally revealed, the poem seems the veritable inspiration for the storyline (as interpreted in this article) that culminates in Christopher’s murder:
The Second Coming By William Butler Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight; somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
The widening gyre, the orbit that breaks down when the center can no longer hold, is clearly a parallel to the decompensation of which Melfi warned, the point at which Tony’s defenses after Junior’s second murder attempt could no longer hold and the underlying pathological rage at his fathers would take over. True to the poem, a “blood-dimmed tide was loosed”, inspired by a perverse compassion for the “innocent”. While “the best” all mourned Christopher and thought his death a tragedy, Tony, “the worst”, was full of passionate intensity and could not understand why no one else saw the greater good in Christopher’s death.
The “revelation” occurs in a “waste of desert sand”, imagery easily compatible with Tony’s “I get it” moment in the Nevada/Arizona desert. The uniquely depraved look on his face as he suffocated Christopher is evoked by the line describing a “gaze as blank and pitiless as the sun”. “Twenty years of stony sleep” refers to the decades of denial Tony maintained, the defense mechanisms that kept him all his life from confronting and admitting that, in some very real ways, he hated his father. It’s a figurative sleep that was suggested literally in the noted fact that so many episodes in season 6B started with Tony in a deep sleep. Somnolence was suggested even in the choice of the song “Comfortably Numb” as soundtrack in the moments immediately preceding the crash, the moments right before the hour of the “rough beast” finally arrived. Even the incidentals are perfect allusions, as with the image of “stony sleep” being turned into a nightmare by a “rocking cradle”, or, in this case, by a car seat with a branch sticking through it.
I’m intrigued by the line describing the emerging beast as having “lion body”. It may mean absolutely nothing. But among the story points worth considering in relation to it are the tiger on the wall in Holsten’s and the enigmatic cat in Made In America.
More obscure is the fact that in Remember When, the single episode most explicitly dealing with the violent release of stifled paternal rage, Carter Chong described his grandfather as a “lion” and noted that his father owned “Grumman” stock. (Grumman manufactured a number of high-profile fighter military aircraft, most of them named for some kind of cat, e.g., Panther, Jaguar, Tomcat, Tigercat.) Carter was reviewing these facts to himself in the scene immediately preceding his vicious attack on Junior, suggesting that, in acting out on his stifled paternal hatred, he was adopting the predatory, aggressive characteristics of a wild cat. Notably, when Junior, the paternal surrogate who modeled this kind of aggressive behavior to Carter, was seen at the end of that episode bruised and literally defanged, his sunken mouth void of false teeth, he was stroking a harmless little housecat on his lap. Once a lion, the former mob boss was a lion no more.

Asbestos Dumping as a Metaphor for Tony’s Toxic Spill of Rage

Kennedy and Heidi opens with a controversy between Tony and Phil Leotardo over asbestos disposal. One of Tony’s contractors was removing asbestos from old buildings, while following none of the strict (and expensive) asbestos-handling laws regulating worker and public safety, and was seeking to dump completely uncontained truck-fulls at waste stations controlled by Phil. Phil’s guys were denying the trucks the right to dump. As a consequence, huge, openly-smoking asbestos mounds were building up at job sites.
After Christopher’s death, Tony was doing little to find a solution, skipping town to gamble, get laid, and get high and leaving the contractor high and dry. Finally, near the very end of the episode, the contractor dumps heaps of asbestos at dawn in an open marsh area resembling the New Jersey Meadowlands.
Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral that gained widespread use in the 19th and 20th centuries as an ingredient in various building industry materials – including wall compounds, insulation, and roofing materials – primarily because of its extreme insulative properties and resistance to heat and fire. In the last 40 years, it’s become better-known for its cancer-causing and toxic effects on those mining and working with it in manufacturing, demolition/remodeling, or other “raw” environments.
Both the heat resistance and toxicity of asbestos make the shoddy removal/dumping storyline a compelling metaphor for Tony’s equally shoddy “dumping” in Kennedy and Heidi. The smoldering heat and flames from his hatred towards his father and uncle were contained beneath his consciousness by an insulating firewall of denial and repression. In essence, this denial and repression was Tony’s psychological asbestos, and it (more or less) contained the heat and fire within him for 47 years.
But it finally broke down, allowing the flames to rage and do damage and necessitating a messy disposal. Unfortunately the breakdown didn’t happen where it should have, in his therapist’s office as the result of honest introspection and dialog about little things like his uncle trying to kill him twice and his father indoctrinating him to murder at 22. That would have been the equivalent of careful, legally-compliant asbestos removal. Instead the breakdown occurred in a roadside ravine and the resulting “waste [in the] desert sand” was every bit as toxic as the smoking piles illegally dumped in the Meadowlands immediately before the desert epiphany and which we saw reprised in the very first shot of the following episode.
Think about that for a moment. Tony’s “I get it” moment was literally sandwiched between shots of noxious mounds of asbestos blowing in the New Jersey wind, a significant clue that some other kind of perversely cathartic disposal was in the middle of that sandwich.

The Orbit of the ‘Blue Comet’: Long Journey to Nowhere

It’s fair to ask: if the broad strokes of my interpretation are valid, what impact did the epiphany have on Tony going forward? After the drugs wore off, did he actually retain any specific understanding of his subconscious motives for killing Chris? Was he left only with the impression that he had enjoyed a very brief moment of enlightenment but without intellectual distillation of the enlightenment itself?
Because the insight was founded upon the secret that he had murdered Chris, even if Tony had retained it, he couldn’t overtly share it with anyone. Still, I lean toward the interpretation that the specifics (at least the ones I proffered) were lost to him when the altered state of consciousness ceased. When he tried to describe the magic of what he experienced in the desert to his crew, he could only come up with the most mundane, inadequate words: “The sun . . . came up.” They all looked at him like he was half retarded.
He was slightly more specific with Melfi, offering that he saw “for pretty certain” that this reality is not all there is. He couldn’t define the alternative but was still convinced there was “something else”.
He did speak in therapy of appreciating a balance and unity in opposites that he hadn’t appreciated before, a “ying” [sic] and “yang”. And he offered that “mothers are like buses . . . the vehicle that gets us here,” but that, once here, we are all on our own, individual journeys (mothers included.) So, to the extent his epiphany comported with what he revealed in therapy, it seems to have had little to do with fathers and with Christopher’s murder and more to do with letting go (finally) of some of his issues with his mother.
But perhaps the best clue to his residual state of understanding came when he indicated that some of what he thought he had grasped in the desert now eluded him. “You think you know, you think you learn something . . . like when I got shot,” he begins. Then, speaking specifically about the peyote experience, he reports that the insight gained is “kinda hard to describe. . . . You know, you have these thoughts, and you almost grab it . . . and then . . . ftt.” He flicks his fingers away from his chin as if to indicate “nothing”. So, to paraphrase Edna St. Vincent Millay, a fragment of what he knew remains, but, apparently, the best is lost.
It wouldn’t take long for all of it to be lost. By the time Tony sits with AJ’s female therapist in Made In America, “going about in pity” for himself because of who his mother was, he has come full circle, essentially back to where he was to start the series. Like a “blue comet”, his orbit was highly elliptical, if not erratic, and carried with it the potential of veering off into deep space or crashing into the sun. But despite killing his own nephew, having a near-death experience himself, and saving his son from an act of suicide, the orbit held. The sober breakthrough never came. The repudiation of his father and of his way of life never took hold in his consciousness. And so, by series’ end, we, like Tony, were exhausted from a long journey that ultimately took us nowhere.
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A Live Performance of Every Paramore Song (That They've Played Live)

I decided to make an archive of sorts of my favorite performances of all Paramore's songs that they’ve done live (to my knowledge). Sorry if some are low quality. With some of these songs, low quality video/audio is all there is. Added date and location to each just for some more context. Most of these are the ones I find myself watching most frequently which is why I chose them - not really based on any criteria other than that. Hope I didn’t miss anything :)
ALL WE KNOW IS FALLING
All We Know
September 3rd, 2006
House of Blues; Anaheim, California, USA
credit: ChloeHayes

Pressure
June 14th, 2008
Norwegian Wood; Frognerbadet, Oslo, Norway
credit: Daniel Garcés Velasco

Emergency
May 10th, 2008
BBC Radio 1’s Big Weekend; Maidstone, England, United Kingdom
credit: juan ferro

Brighter
April 30th, 2010
Trump Taj Mahal; Atlantic City, New Jersey, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

Here We Go Again
September 3rd, 2006
House of Blues; Anaheim, California, USA
credit: ChloeHayes

Never Let this Go
May 22nd, 2015
Open Air Theater; San Diego, California, USA
credit: TheRealConcertKing

Whoa
June 15th, 2008
Provinssirock Festival; Seinäjoki, Southern Ostrobothnia, Finland
credit: hanu767

Conspiracy
March 9th, 2014
Parahoy!
credit: Shannon Moore

Franklin
June 15th, 2007
Rocketown; Nashville, Tennessee, USA
credit: Kerrie Simmons

My Heart
December 18th, 2009
Wembley Arena; London, England, United Kingdom
credit: nayrh89

RIOT!
For A Pessimist, I'm Pretty Optimistic
July 20th, 2011
Warped Tour; Cleveland, Ohio, USA
credit: propertyofzack

That's What You Get
March 13th, 2008
MTV Spring Break; Panama City Beach, Florida, USA
credit: yxXParamorexXy

Hallelujah
August 12th, 2008
Congress Theater; Chicago, Illinois, USA
credit: amaia182

Misery Business
September 1st, 2009
MySpace Secret Show; Munich. Germany
credit: Warner Music Germany

When It Rains
June 14th, 2008
Norwegian Wood; Frognerbadet, Oslo, Norway
credit: Manon Let

Let the Flames Begin
May 26th, 2013
BBC Radio 1’s Big Weekend; Derry, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom
credit: Bianca Rodrigues

Miracle
March 10th, 2014
Parahoy!
credit: TheLeaD88

Crushcrushcrush
July 16th, 2009
Rexall Place; Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
credit: catcrackermusic

We Are Broken
August 12th, 2008
Congress Theater; Chicago, Illinois, USA
credit: musicfan556

Fences
August 14th, 2012
Fox Theater; Pomona, California, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

Born For This
June 13th, 2007
The Sauce on FUSE
credit: yxXParamorexXy

BRAND NEW EYES
Careful
October 17th, 2009
The Electric Factory; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

Ignorance
September 8th, 2009
Taratata
credit: zildjiandrum1

Playing God
September 7th, 2011
Fueled By Ramen 15th Anniversary; New York, New York, USA
credit: marcellaaac

Brick By Boring Brick
June 18th, 2010
Hurricane Festival; Scheeßel, Germany
credit: TerpMusic

Turn It Off
July 28th, 2017
Grand Casino Hinckley Amphitheater; Hinckley, Minnesota, USA
credit: Jonathan Hanson

The Only Exception
December 10th, 2010
Jingle Ball; New York, New York USA
credit: 106.5 The End

Feeling Sorry
August 3rd, 2010
Meadowbrook U.S. Cellular Pavilion; Gilford, New Hampshire, USA
credit: saskatchawan

Looking Up
July 16th, 2011
Warped Tour; Montreal, Quebec, Canada
credit: RTMorasonMD

Where the Lines Overlap
August 7th, 2009
Summer Sonic; Chiba City, Chiba, Japan
credit: Paramore Videos

Misguided Ghosts
July 11th, 2018
Concrete Street Amphitheater; Corpus Christi, Texas, USA
credit: JasonJude1

SINGLES CLUB
Renegade
June 7th, 2013
Rock Am Ring; Nürnberg, Germany
credit: FueledByPmore

Hello Cold World
August 14th, 2012
Fox Theater; Pomona, California, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

In the Mourning
April 5th, 2013
The Garage; London, England, United Kingdom
credit: steveatgigs

PARAMORE
Fast In My Car
September 4th, 2013
iTunes Festival; London, England, United Kingdom
credit: LiveConciertLive

Now
February 1st, 2014
Celebrity Beach Bowl; New York, New York, USA
credit: MaisParamore

Grow Up
October 23rd, 2013
Viejas Arena; San Diego, California, USA
credit: jsradiohead

Daydreaming
November 11th, 2013
Sands Event Center; Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

Interlude: Moving On
April 20th, 2013
Grimey’s; Nashville, Tennessee, USA
credit: StevenSalazar1995

Ain't It Fun
August 22nd, 2014
Reading Festival; Reading, England, United Kingdom
credit: Paramore BR

Part II
July 12th, 2014
Bunbury Festival; Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
credit: Amanda S

Last Hope
June 19th, 2014
Xfinity Theater; Hartford, Connecticut, USA
credit: RTMorasonMD

Still Into You
September 20th, 2014
iHeartRadio Music Festival; Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
credit: LiveConciertLive

Anklebiters
July 31st, 2013
Espaço das Américas; Barra Funda, São Paulo, Brazil
credit: Bianca Souza

Interlude: Holiday
March 9th, 2014
Parahoy!
credit: Roxi

Proof
May 1st, 2013
Wiltern Theater; Los Angeles, California, USA
credit: Lauren Leialoha

Hate to See Your Heart Break
June 16th, 2017
Waterfront Hall; Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom
credit: Mark Withers

(One of Those) Crazy Girls
May 8th, 2015
Borgata Event Center; Atlantic City, New Jersey, USA
credit: Paul Roma

Interlude: I'm Not Angry Anymore
January 9th, 2014
Brisbane Entertainment Center; Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
credit: crabsmen

Be Alone
March 7th, 2016
Parahoy! 2
credit: Michael Esposito

Future
April 27th, 2015
Bell Auditorium; Augusta, Georgia, USA
credit: MizBizSav

AFTER LAUGHTER
Hard Times
June 17th, 2018
Lakeview Amphitheater; Syracuse, New York, USA
credit: John Mann

Rose-Colored Boy
January 19th, 2018
Manchester Arena; Manchester, England, United Kingdom
credit: towerxoverxme

Told You So
July 2nd, 2017
Admiralspalast; Berlin, Germany
credit: Domi Diamond

Forgiveness
October 17th, 2017
The Ryman Auditorium; Nashville, Tennessee, USA
credit: karunadreamer0

Fake Happy
July 5th, 2017
Rock For People; Hradec Králové, Czech Republic
credit: Johny362

26
July 7th, 2017
Cirkus; Djurgården, Stockholm, Sweden
credit: Sofia Blomgren

Pool
February 14th, 2018
Genting Arena; Birmingham, England, United Kingdom
credit: Aisling Meade

Grudges
July 5th, 2018
The Armory; Minneapolis, Minnesota, USAcredit: Jonathan Hanson

Caught in the Middle
June 20th, 2018
Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion at Meadowbrook; Gilford, New Hampshire, USA
credit: John Mann

Idle Worship
April 8th, 2018
Parahoy! 3
credit: Kaz

No Friend
April 8th, 2018
Parahoy! 3
credit: Kaz

Tell Me How
September 7th, 2018
Art + Friends; Nashville, Tennessee, USA
credit: karunadreamer0

B-SIDES
Rewind
February 14th, 2006
Beat Kitchen; Chicago, Illinois, USA
credit: NadeHQproductions

Temporary
February 11th, 2006
Ascot Room at The Quest; Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
credit: s0c0ntroversial

Oh Star
March 7th, 2016
Parahoy! 2
credit: Kaz

Stop This Song (Lovesick Melody)
June 14th, 2008
Norwegian Wood; Frognerbadet, Oslo, Norway
credit: Luiza P

Decoy
May 19th, 2009
Save Mart Center; Fresno, California, USA
credit: k9ripper85

Decode
August 7th, 2009
Summer Sonic; Chiba City, Chiba, Japan
credit: Paramore Videos

I Caught Myself
March 7th, 2017
Hamburg Stadtpark; Hamburg, Germany
credit: ANJA_SIMBA T.

Monster
February 22nd, 2013
Sydney Enmore Theater; Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
credit: Luque Coolhand

Escape Route
March 7th, 2014
Parahoy!
credit: Anna Smart

Tell Me It's Okay
April 30th, 2015
SunFest; West Palm Beach, Florida, USA
credit: Mikey Nguyen
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What's happening around town (Wed, Dec 11th - Tue, Dec 17th)

Oklahoma City's event list.

Wednesday, Dec 11th

Thursday, Dec 12th

  • 🎓 5th Annual Red Earth Treefest (Red Earth Art Center - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Start Time: 9:00am Red Earth Art Center has partnered with OSU-OKC to celebrate the holiday season with a distinctive Native flair. Purchase beautiful handmade Christmas ornaments.…
  • 2019 Lights from the Heart (Heart of Oklahoma Chamber of Commerce - Purcell) 1 day left Start Time: 5:30pm Drive around Purcell City Lake and create holiday memories as you see over 190 animated displays featuring over 650,000 lights! There is no admission fee, but…
  • 🎨 The Art Hall Holiday Pop-Up Shop (Oklahoma City Museum of Art - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:00pm The Art Hall is here to help out with your holiday shopping needs! The gallery will host a pop-up shop in conjunction with Uptown23rd’s Holiday Lights party on…
  • Breakfast with Santa (Orr Family Farm Event Barn - Oklahoma City) Thru Sat, Dec 14th Wake up the kids and don't miss Breakfast with Santa this December. Join Orr Family Farm Event Barn in Oklahoma…
  • 🏃 Christmas in the Park 2019 (Yukon City Park - Yukon) 1 day left Start Time: 6:00pm It’s time for Yukon’s breathtaking Christmas in the Park, a magical wonderland of visual entertainment offered starting The Saturday before Thanksgiving, then…
  • Dance Senior Project Fall Concert (University of Central Oklahoma - Edmond) Start Time: 7:30pm
  • Deer Creek Prairie Vale Choir (Edmond Senior Center - Edmond) Start Time: 10:15am Come sing Christmas Carols with Deer Creek Prairie Vale Honor Choir. Director Tricia Cochlin.
  • Edmond Electric's Luminance 2019 (Mitch Park - Edmond) 1 day left Start Time: 5:00pm The Second Annual Luminance is the a walk-thru holiday light display that will be open to the public from November 23 - January 5. This year, there will be 30 three…
  • 🎭 Elysian: Divinely Inspired - Senior Project Showcase. (University of Central Oklahoma - Edmond) Start Time: 7:30pm UCO Dancers preparing to graduate showcase their senior projects
  • Oklahoma City Futurity (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 15th Better Barrel Races presents the Oklahoma City Futurity at Oklahoma State Fair Park. This equestrian event will feature…
  • 🎨 Holiday Lights Spectacular (Midwest City) 1 day left Start Time: 6:00pm Experience Midwest City's holiday lights display all holiday season long at Joe B. Barnes Regional Park! This display is open each night from Nov. 22 to Dec. 25 to…
  • 🎭 Jipsi & Friends Holiday Bash Live at ACM (ACM @ UCO - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 5:00pm We are excited to partner with our friends at The ACM@UCO Student Organization to present to you all our very first Jipsi & Friends Holiday Bash on December 12,…
  • 🎓 Lego Club (Guthrie Library - Guthrie) Start Time: 3:30pm Create, Build, Learn, and have Fun! RSVP for this event. All Ages are Welcome. Please keep your Legos at home unless you wish to make a donation to the Guthrie…
  • 🎡 Looking For Something? (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Start Time: 8:00pm Ian Moore, the Seattle-based, Austin, TX-born guitar player, singer and songwriter makes the proverbial renaissance man look lazy.
  • 😂 Matt Sadler (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) Thru Sat, Dec 14th
  • Ramblin' Jack Elliott (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Hear one of the last true links to the great folk traditions of this country as Ramblin’ Jack Elliott performs a…
  • Red Earth Treefest (OSU-OKC - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 15th Celebrate the Christmas season during the fun and festive Red Earth Treefest. This holiday attraction, held in a new…
  • 😂 The Santaland Diaries (Carpenter Square Theatre - Oklahoma City) Day 1 of 2 Start Time: 7:30pm Carpenter Square Heads to ‘Santaland’ for the Holidays Carpenter Square Theatre celebrates the holiday season with “The Santaland Diaries” November…
  • Territorial Christmas Celebrations (Pollard Theatre - Guthrie) Thru Sat, Dec 14th Guthrie's Territorial Christmas Celebrations are at the heart of Oklahoma's traditional expression of the holidays,…
  • 🎓 There’s No Business Like Snow Business (UCO Jazz Lab - Edmond) Day 1 of 2 Start Time: 7:30pm Sure to get you in the holiday spirit, come join in on a festivity-filled evening of your favorite holiday tunes performed by some of Central’s finest Musical…
  • The Truth about Living to be 100 (Francis Tuttle Technology Center North Campus - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 10:00am Living to 100 years and beyond hadn’t really been a possibility (or consideration) for many people…until recently that is. Right now, there are more than 72,000…
  • Uptown Holiday Lights Block Party (Uptown 23rd - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:00pm Uptown 23rd District Association will be debuting artistic holiday lights along N.W. 23rd St. from Harvey Ave. to Lee Ave. Funded by Inasmuch Foundation and…
  • Victorian Walk (Historic Guthrie - Guthrie) Thru Sat, Dec 14th Guthrie has long been a destination for fans of Victorian architecture and with this lovely holiday walking tour, you can…
  • Youth Gingerbread House Decorating Contest (Guthrie Library - Guthrie) Start Time: 5:00pm MUST RSVP BY DECEMBER 10th TO PARTICIPATE**** We'll provide the kits, you provide the creation! Judging of Gingerbread Houses Will Take Place During Our 3rd Annual…

Friday, Dec 13th

  • 2nd Friday Norman Art Walk (Norman Arts District - Norman) The 2nd Friday Norman Art Walk, a monthly celebration of the arts in Norman, connects the downtown arts district with…
  • 🎓 5th Annual Red Earth Treefest (Red Earth Art Center - Oklahoma City) Last Day Start Time: 9:00am Red Earth Art Center has partnered with OSU-OKC to celebrate the holiday season with a distinctive Native flair. Purchase beautiful handmade Christmas ornaments.…
  • 2019 Lights from the Heart (Heart of Oklahoma Chamber of Commerce - Purcell) Last Day Start Time: 5:30pm Drive around Purcell City Lake and create holiday memories as you see over 190 animated displays featuring over 650,000 lights! There is no admission fee, but…
  • Amahl and the Night Visitors (First Baptist Church - Oklahoma City) Day 1 of 2 Painted Sky Opera will bring the classic Amahl and the Night Visitors Christmas opera to life at the First Baptist Church of…
  • 🎨 Norman Art Walk (Norman Arts District - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm Date: Fri, 12/13/2019 - 6:00pm - 9:00pm 2nd Friday Norman Art Walk is a free celebration of arts & creativity held monthly from 6 to 9 p.m. in the Walker Arts…
  • 🎨 Oklahoma City Blue vs. Salt Lake City Stars (Cox Convention Center - Oklahoma City) Sale Dates and Times: Public Onsale : Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 10:00 AM
  • Breakfast with Santa (Orr Family Farm Event Barn - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Wake up the kids and don't miss Breakfast with Santa this December. Join Orr Family Farm Event Barn in Oklahoma…
  • Charlie Daniels Band in Concert (Riverwind Casino - Norman) Start Time: 8:00pm Round up the posse and head to Riverwind Casino in Norman for an exciting performance by bluegrass and country legends the…
  • 🏃 Christmas in the Park 2019 (Yukon City Park - Yukon) Last Day Start Time: 6:00pm It’s time for Yukon’s breathtaking Christmas in the Park, a magical wonderland of visual entertainment offered starting The Saturday before Thanksgiving, then…
  • Christmas With The Crawfords (The Boom - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00pm
  • Edmond Electric's Luminance 2019 (Mitch Park - Edmond) Last Day Start Time: 5:00pm The Second Annual Luminance is the a walk-thru holiday light display that will be open to the public from November 23 - January 5. This year, there will be 30 three…
  • 🎓 Free Zumba (Guthrie Library - Guthrie) Start Time: 5:00pm Dress to sweat! Free Latin inspired dance fitness class. Space is Limited. RSVP. The City of Guthrie, OK - Municipal Government Guthrie, Oklahoma ChooseGuthrie…
  • Oklahoma City Futurity (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 15th Better Barrel Races presents the Oklahoma City Futurity at Oklahoma State Fair Park. This equestrian event will feature…
  • 🎨 Gallery Reception - Small Works IX (The Depot - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm One of the most popular exhibits in the Depot Gallery each year, Small Works features the work of 10 artists who have previously shown in the gallery, with each…
  • Geminid Meteor Shower Viewing (Martin Nature Park - Oklahoma City) Head to the Martin Park Nature Center & Trail in Oklahoma City for the Geminid Meteor Shower Viewing. At this special…
  • 🎨 Holiday Lights Spectacular (Midwest City) Last Day Start Time: 6:00pm Experience Midwest City's holiday lights display all holiday season long at Joe B. Barnes Regional Park! This display is open each night from Nov. 22 to Dec. 25 to…
  • 🎨 I, Doppelgänger (Alexis Austin & Mary James Ketch) + Greer Inez (Mainsite - Norman) Start Time: 6:00pm The human form finds itself as the center of two exhibitions opening at MAINSITE this December. I, Doppelgänger — featuring works from artists Alexis Austin and…
  • John Calvin Abney (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Tulsa's own John Calvin Abney takes the stage at The Blue Door in Oklahoma City. Abney is a multi-instrumental…
  • LIVE! on the Plaza: Festivus (Plaza District - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 6:00pm LIVE! on the Plaza is the Plaza District's free & monthly artwalk featuring art shows, live entertainment, great food and local shopping. Join us as we celebrate one…
  • 🎡 Looking For Something? (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Last Day Start Time: 8:00pm Ian Moore, the Seattle-based, Austin, TX-born guitar player, singer and songwriter makes the proverbial renaissance man look lazy.
  • 😂 Matt Sadler (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) 1 day left
  • 🎓 Oklahoma Hospitality Club (Gaillardia Country Club - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 12:00pm New Members contact: [email protected]
  • Red Earth Treefest (OSU-OKC - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 15th Celebrate the Christmas season during the fun and festive Red Earth Treefest. This holiday attraction, held in a new…
  • 😂 The Santaland Diaries (Carpenter Square Theatre - Oklahoma City) Day 2 of 2 Start Time: 7:30pm Carpenter Square Heads to ‘Santaland’ for the Holidays Carpenter Square Theatre celebrates the holiday season with “The Santaland Diaries” November…
  • Sugar Plum Promenade (Scissortail Park - Oklahoma City) Day 1 of 2 Gather your friends and family to celebrate the holidays in Oklahoma City at Scissortail Park during the Sugar Plum…
  • Territorial Christmas Celebrations (Pollard Theatre - Guthrie) 1 day left Guthrie's Territorial Christmas Celebrations are at the heart of Oklahoma's traditional expression of the holidays,…
  • 🎓 There’s No Business Like Snow Business (UCO Jazz Lab - Edmond) Day 2 of 2 Start Time: 7:30pm Sure to get you in the holiday spirit, come join in on a festivity-filled evening of your favorite holiday tunes performed by some of Central’s finest Musical…
  • 😂 Veterans Christmas Dinner And Toy Drive Comedy Show (The Paramount OKC - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 8:00pm
  • Victorian Walk (Historic Guthrie - Guthrie) 1 day left Guthrie has long been a destination for fans of Victorian architecture and with this lovely holiday walking tour, you can…
  • Walk Through Bethlehem (United Methodist Church of the Servant - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 15th Head to the Church of the Servant in Oklahoma City for the annual Walk Through Bethlehem. For three nights, the campus will…
  • Yellow House Revisited: Song Swap w/ Jason Boland, Cody Canada & Mike McClure (Tower Theatre Studio - Oklahoma City) Get your tickets for an evening of singesongwriter Red Dirt magic when the Yellow House Revisited Song Swap sets up at…

Saturday, Dec 14th

  • Amahl and the Night Visitors (First Baptist Church - Oklahoma City) Day 2 of 2 Painted Sky Opera will bring the classic Amahl and the Night Visitors Christmas opera to life at the First Baptist Church of…
  • Andy Adams in Concert (The Blue Door - Oklahoma City) Hear a very special tribute to the late Red Dirt icon Jimmy LaFave as Andy Adams takes the stage at The Blue Door in…
  • Black Joe Lewis & the Honeybears in Concert (Tower Theatre Studio - Oklahoma City) Hear Austin-based singer and guitarist Black Joe Lewis with his band the Honeybears live at Oklahoma City's Tower…
  • Oklahoma City Blue vs Rio Grande Valley Vipers (Cox Convention Center - Oklahoma City) Come see some thrilling professional basketball during the Oklahoma City Blue 2019-20 season. Experience the fast-paced…
  • Breakfast with Santa (Orr Family Farm Event Barn - Oklahoma City) Last Day Wake up the kids and don't miss Breakfast with Santa this December. Join Orr Family Farm Event Barn in Oklahoma…
  • Cleveland County Craft Show (Cleveland County Fairgrounds - Norman) The Cleveland County Craft Show in Norman features home decorating, handmade, seasonal and specialty items presented by over…
  • Eagle Watch (Lake Thunderbird State Park - Norman) Eagle-watching adventure awaits you along the shores of Lake Thunderbird in Norman. Meet at the Discovery Cove Nature…
  • Oklahoma City Futurity (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Better Barrel Races presents the Oklahoma City Futurity at Oklahoma State Fair Park. This equestrian event will feature…
  • Indie Trunk Show (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) The Indie Trunk Show in Oklahoma City highlights the many local crafters, artists and businesses around the state. Head to…
  • Junior Botball Challenge (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Cheer on the elementary and middle school students competing in the MCN Junior Botball Challenge. Inside the Centennial…
  • Junk Hippy (Heritage Place Inc - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:00am Oklahoma's home for vintage since 2012! Don't miss this fun holiday shopping event with everything from vintage & midcentury finds, shabby & boho decor, farmhouse…
  • Norman Main Street Christmas Holiday Parade (Downtown - Norman) Jack Frost may be nipping at your nose, but you won't want to miss this Norman holiday tradition. The Norman Main Street…
  • 😂 Matt Sadler (Loony Bin Comedy Club - Oklahoma City) Last Day
  • The Nutcracker (Civic Center Music Hall - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 22nd Oklahoma City Ballet presents: "The Nutcracker" is a special performance the whole family will love. Share the…
  • 🎓 On Broadway Show Choir Auditions (Edmond Fine Arts - Edmond) Start Time: 9:00am Edmond “On Broadway” Show Choir (9th-12th Grade) is a performance-based class where students learn to prepare and perform popular music from current and classic…
  • 🍴 Polar Express PJ & Pancake Party (Myriad Botanical Gardens - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 9:30am Sponsored by Platt College Saturday, December 14, 9:30-11am Park House Event Center Member with skates: $25 Nonmember with skates: $30 No Ice Skates: $20 REGISTER…
  • Red Earth Treefest (OSU-OKC - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Celebrate the Christmas season during the fun and festive Red Earth Treefest. This holiday attraction, held in a new…
  • 🏃 Sandridge Santa Run (Leadership Square - Oklahoma City) Whether you run or walk, the entire family will enjoy some holiday fun and fitness at the Downtown in December SandRidge Santa Run. The SandRidge Santa Run includes…
  • Santa’s Wonderland returns to Bass Pro Shops featuring FREE photos with Santa (The Shop - Oklahoma City) Start Time: 10:00am Santa’s Wonderland is the ultimate free family Christmas event. The magic returns to Bass Pro Shops and Oklahoma City-area families are invited to enjoy this…
  • Steel Panther in Concert (Diamond Ballroom - Oklahoma City) Steel Panther brings their Heavy Metal Rules Tour to Diamond Ballroom in Oklahoma City for an energetic night of heavy metal…
  • Styx in Concert (Riverwind Casino - Norman) Legendary rock band Styx brings their classic sound and dynamic style to the Riverwind Casino in Norman for a rockin'…
  • Sugar Plum Promenade (Scissortail Park - Oklahoma City) Day 2 of 2 Gather your friends and family to celebrate the holidays in Oklahoma City at Scissortail Park during the Sugar Plum…
  • Territorial Christmas Celebrations (Pollard Theatre - Guthrie) Last Day Guthrie's Territorial Christmas Celebrations are at the heart of Oklahoma's traditional expression of the holidays,…
  • Victorian Walk (Historic Guthrie - Guthrie) Last Day Guthrie has long been a destination for fans of Victorian architecture and with this lovely holiday walking tour, you can…
  • Walk Through Bethlehem (United Methodist Church of the Servant - Oklahoma City) 1 day left Head to the Church of the Servant in Oklahoma City for the annual Walk Through Bethlehem. For three nights, the campus will…

Sunday, Dec 15th

  • Oklahoma City Futurity (Oklahoma State Fair Park - Oklahoma City) Last Day Better Barrel Races presents the Oklahoma City Futurity at Oklahoma State Fair Park. This equestrian event will feature…
  • The Nutcracker (Civic Center Music Hall - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 22nd Oklahoma City Ballet presents: "The Nutcracker" is a special performance the whole family will love. Share the…
  • OU Sooners vs Sam Houston State Bearkats (The Lloyd Noble Center - Norman) Head to Norman to watch as the Oklahoma Sooners Women's Basketball take on the Sam Houston State Bearkats. Since the…
  • Red Earth Treefest (OSU-OKC - Oklahoma City) Last Day Celebrate the Christmas season during the fun and festive Red Earth Treefest. This holiday attraction, held in a new…
  • Riders in the Sky in Concert (Tower Theatre Studio - Oklahoma City) Hearken back to the days of yore when Riders in the Sky bring their combination of classic quartet music and…
  • Walk Through Bethlehem (United Methodist Church of the Servant - Oklahoma City) Last Day Head to the Church of the Servant in Oklahoma City for the annual Walk Through Bethlehem. For three nights, the campus will…

Monday, Dec 16th

  • The Nutcracker (Civic Center Music Hall - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 22nd Oklahoma City Ballet presents: "The Nutcracker" is a special performance the whole family will love. Share the…

Tuesday, Dec 17th

  • The Nutcracker (Civic Center Music Hall - Oklahoma City) Thru Sun, Dec 22nd Oklahoma City Ballet presents: "The Nutcracker" is a special performance the whole family will love. Share the…
  • OU Sooners vs Drake Bulldogs (The Lloyd Noble Center - Norman) Head to Norman to watch as the Oklahoma Sooners Women's Basketball take on the Drake Bulldogs. Since the team's…

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Mariah Carey - CAUTION WORLD TOUR 2019 Dates

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Between Me & My Mind - tomorrow 7/21 @ SteelStacks in Bethlehem, PA!!

7/21 @ SteelStacks in Bethlehem, PA

I'll definitely be checking this out tomorrow night @ 7pm... its walking distance to me, Bonn Brewing Company, Sands Casino and a bunch of great restraunts. Rad little venue too. Anyone close to the Lehigh Valley/Philly/SE PA making the trek? Good way to spend a day NOT outside in this brutal phucking heat :)
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Parkway Drive -Reverence tour added a new date

I'm so pumped and wanted to share with everyone that Parkway Drive added a new date on their Reverence tour. Saturday, September 15th at the Sands Bethlehem event center in Bethlehem, PA. Which is attached to a casino!
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Bellator 109 – Shlemenko vs. Marshall – Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

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Deftones/Incubus Tour 2015 setlists and Spotify playlists

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Hey guys, as promised here are a bunch of playlists for all the sets so far. I will update this list as I can. If anything seems off, please let me know and I will update accordingly.
7/22 DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI
7/23 Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre, Tinley Park, IL
7/25 Riverbend Music Center, Cincinatti, OH
7/26 Farm Bureau Insurance State Lawn at White River Park, Indianapolis, IN
Note: Sets cut short due to severe weather. :'(
7/27 Jacobs Pavillion at Nautica, Cleveland, OH
7/28 Lifestyle Communites Pavillion, Columbus, OH
7/29 Edgefest, Toronto, ON, Canada
7/31 The Fillmore Silver Spring, Silver Spring, MD
7/31 Sands Bethlehem Event Center, Bethlehem, PA
8/1 Bank of New Hampshire Pavillion at Meadowbrook, Gilford, NH
8/2 Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, Darien Lake, NY
8/4 PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel, NJ
8/5 Nikon at Jones Beach Theater, Wantagh, NY
8/7 Xfinity Center, Mansfield, MA
8/8 Susquehanna Bank Center, Camden, NJ
8/9 PNC Music Pavillion, Charlotte, NC
8/12 Aaron's Amphitheatre at Lakewood, Atlanta, GA
8/13 MidFlorida Credit Union Amphitheatre, Tampa, FL
8/14 Coral Sky Amphitheatre, West Palm Beach, FL
8/16 Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square, New Orleans, LA
8/17 Austin360 Amphitheatre, Austin, TX
8/19 The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion presented by Huntsman, Woodlands, TX
8/20 Gexa Energy Pavilion, Dallas, TX
8/21 Hollywood Casino Amphitheater, Maryland Heights, MD
8/23 Starlight Theatre, Kansas City, MO
8/24 Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Denver, CO
8/26 Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View, CA
8/28 The Forum, Inglewood, CA
8/29 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Irvine, CA
8/30 Sleep Train Amphitheater, San Diego, CA
EDIT LOG:
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Spring Tour 2014 US Tour dates

They are touring with Trivium and Digital Summer. Tour dates are below:
04/03 Denver, CO – The Fillmore Auditorium 04/04 Mescalero, NM – Inn of the Mountain Gods Resort 04/06 Anaheim, CA – The Grove 04/08 Modesto, CA – Modesto Centre Plaza 04/09 Reno, NV – Grand Sierra Theatre 04/10 Medford, OR Medford Armory 04/11 Spokane, WA Knitting Factory 04/13 Boise, ID – Taco Bell Arena 04/14 Seattle, WA – Paramount Theatre 04/15 Missoula, MT – Wilma Theatre 04/17 Fargo, ND – The Venue 04/18 LaCrosse, WI – LaCrosse Center 04/19 Clive, IA – 7 Flags Event Center 04/21 Ft. Wayne, IN – Piere’s 04/22 Cleveland, OH – The Agora 04/23 Louisville, KY – Palace Theatre 04/27 Chattanooga, TN – Track 29 04/28 Nashville, TN – Marathon Music Works 04/30 Pittsburgh, PA – Stage AE 05/01 Bethlehem, PA – Sands Event Center 05/05 Niagara Falls, NY – Rapids Theatre 05/06 Poughkeepsie, NY – Mid Hudson Civic Center 05/08 Huntington, NY – Paramount Theatre 05/09 Hampton Beach, NH – Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom
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Deftones/Incubus Tour 2015 setlists and Spotify playlists (X Post r/Deftones)

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Tour fully up to date.
7/22 DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI
7/23 Hollywood Casino Ampitheatre, Tinley Park, IL
7/25 Riverbend Music Center, Cincinatti, OH
7/26 Farm Bureau Insurance State Lawn at White River Park, Indianapolis, IN
Note: Sets cut short due to severe weather. :'(
7/27 Jacobs Pavillion at Nautica, Cleveland, OH
7/28 Lifestyle Communites Pavillion, Columbus, OH
7/29 Edgefest, Toronto, ON, Canada
7/31 The Fillmore Silver Spring, Silver Spring, MD
7/31 Sands Bethlehem Event Center, Bethlehem, PA
8/1 Bank of New Hampshire Pavillion at Meadowbrook, Gilford, NH
8/2 Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, Darien Lake, NY
8/4 PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel, NJ
8/5 Nikon at Jones Beach Theater, Wantagh, NY
8/7 Xfinity Center, Mansfield, MA
8/8 Susquehanna Bank Center, Camden, NJ
8/9 PNC Music Pavillion, Charlotte, NC
8/12 Aaron's Ampitheatre at Lakewood, Atlanta, GA
8/13 MidFlorida Credit Union Ampitheatre, Tampa, FL
8/14 Coral Sky Ampitheatre, West Palm Beach, FL
8/16 Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square, New Orleans, LA
8/17 Austin360 Amphitheatre, Austin, TX
8/19 The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion presented by Huntsman, Woodlands, TX
8/20 Gexa Energy Pavilion, Dallas, TX
8/21 Hollywood Casino Amphitheater, Maryland Heights, MD
8/23 Starlight Theatre, Kansas City, MO
8/24 Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Denver, CO
8/26 Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View, CA
8/28 The Forum, Inglewood, CA
8/29 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Irvine, CA
8/30 Sleep Train Amphitheater, San Diego, CA
EDIT LOG:
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SUPERTRAMP Co-Founder ROGER HODGSON Set for Fall Tour

Roger Hodgson, legendary vocalist and singer-songwriter from Supertramp, is heading back to North America for a series of fall dates. Following extensive tours of Europe and South America, Hodgson kicks off his North American tour on Nov. 4th in Wabash, Indiana.
Hodgson co-founded the progressive rock band Supertramp in 1969 and was with them for 14 years. He helped define a generation of progressive rock and wrote and sang Supertramp’s globally successful and enduring anthems such as “Breakfast in America,” “Give a Little Bit,” “Take the Long Way Home,” “The Logical Song,” “Dreamer,” “It's Raining Again,” “School,” and “Fool's Overture” – songs that helped the band sell well over 60 million albums.
Hodgson is recognized as one of the most gifted composers and lyricists of our time. He has twice been recognized by ASCAP (American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) for his songs being in the top played songs in their repertory, proving that they have indeed stood the test of time.
Accompanied by a four-piece band, Roger continues to perform all his hits that he recorded with Supertramp plus other classics - such as “Child of Vision,” “Hide in Your Shell,” “Sister Moonshine,” “Even in the Quietest Moments,” plus favorites from his solo albums - “Only Because of You,” “Lovers in the Wind,” and “In Jeopardy” - many of which can be found on his current CD release, Classics Live.
Uniting generations, Hodgson is transporting baby boomers back to their youth while giving younger concertgoers a taste of why his heartfelt songs have endured. North American audiences are once again preparing to experience the magic and spirit that Hodgson created with Supertramp.
Roger Hodgson North American Tour Dates:
November 4 - Wabash, IN - Honeywell Center
November 6 - Detroit, MI - MotorCity Casino Hotel
November 7 - Niagara Falls, NY - Seneca Niagara Falls Casino and Resort
November 8 - Ridgefield, CT - Ridgefield Playhouse
November 9 - Bethlehem, PA - Sands Bethlehem Event Center
November 11 - Huntington, NY - The Paramount
November 14 & 15 - Rama, ON - Casino Rama – On Sale August 20
“Remarkably, the humble musical legend is back and his signature voice sounds stronger than ever… to see and hear Roger Hodgson in concert today is simply to experience a sort of musical homecoming.” Rolling Stone
“This is the real deal: a legendary music man, in brilliant form and shimmering presence, supported by a tight, terrific band. An evening with Roger Hodgson will raise your standards of concert-going.” Huffington Post
“Beautiful. That’s the word that just keeps popping into your head when watching Roger Hodgson perform. Whether it’s the melodic complexity of his songs, the harmonies he weaves with his band, the lyrics that sweep you away or his ability to still command the incredible upper range of his voice…” Classic Rock Music Examiner
Check out his latest release, ‘Classics Live’. This spectacular collection of Roger’s hit songs from concerts recorded around the world is available through his Store and iTunes.
Enjoy this video montage of Hodgson performing some of his timeless classics.
For more information, visit the Tour page on Hodgson’s Website or Events on his Facebook page.
For additional information on Roger Hodgson, visit his Bio.
www.RogerHodgson.com
www.Facebook.com/RogerHodgson
www.Twitter.com/RogerHodgson
www.Youtube.com/RogerHodgson
www.Instagram.com/RogerHodgson
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  • Bethlehem Walk (2525 S Garnett) Thru Sun, Dec 7th Step back in time and witness the Christmas story at Bethlehem Walk in Tulsa. Bethlehem Walk is a free, 45-minute guided…
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  • Live Trivia (The Hunt Club) Start Time: 7:00pm
  • Nasty Navi (Soundpony)
  • Netsky (Cain's Ballroom)
  • Pryor Christmas Parade of Lights (Downtown - Pryor) The Pryor Christmas Parade of Lights features more than 100 entries and 2,000 participants. Bring the whole family to…
  • Trans-Siberian Orchestra in Concert (BOK Center) Start Time: 7:30pm Visit downtown Tulsa's BOK Center this December for the Trans-Siberian Orchestra's highly acclaimed rock opera.…
  • Travis and Tia (The Hunt Club) Start Time: 10:00pm
  • Vinita Christmas Parade (Downtown - Vinita) Bundle up tight and bring the family to downtown Vinita this December for the annual Christmas Parade. This holiday…

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What's happening around town (Wed, Dec 3rd - Tue, Dec 9th)

Tulsa's event list. Combined from 11 sources

Ongoing

Wednesday, Dec 3rd

Thursday, Dec 4th

  • Bethlehem Walk (2525 S Garnett) Thru Sun, Dec 7th Step back in time and witness the Christmas story at Bethlehem Walk in Tulsa. Bethlehem Walk is a free, 45-minute guided…
  • Big Smo at Dog Iron Saloon (Dog Iron Saloon at Will Rogers Downs - Claremore)
  • Brian Wilson in Concert (Hard Rock Casino - Catoosa) One of the founders of the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson is responsible for some of the most memorable melodies and lyrics of…
  • Live Trivia (The Hunt Club) Start Time: 7:00pm
  • Nasty Navi (Soundpony)
  • Netsky (Cain's Ballroom)
  • Pryor Christmas Parade of Lights (Downtown - Pryor) The Pryor Christmas Parade of Lights features more than 100 entries and 2,000 participants. Bring the whole family to…
  • Trans-Siberian Orchestra in Concert (BOK Center) Start Time: 7:30pm Visit downtown Tulsa's BOK Center this December for the Trans-Siberian Orchestra's highly acclaimed rock opera.…
  • Travis and Tia (The Hunt Club) Start Time: 10:00pm
  • Vinita Christmas Parade (Downtown - Vinita) Bundle up tight and bring the family to downtown Vinita this December for the annual Christmas Parade. This holiday…

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Saturday, Dec 6th

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[Table] IAmA New York City underground poker player/grinder/rounder .. AMA

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Date: 2012-08-28
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How do you find out about these games? (Friend of a friend of a friend?) Are they mostly hosted in Manhattan or within the other boroughs and NJ as well? I've been around the games for awhile, and through the loop I've discovered more games. I started out when Manhattan would have places with 14 cash games pumping before the big shooting then they really cracked down on it.
Any casino tournament players in this? Casino players love them because it's a lot more action and talent pool is very slim. Yes there are tournaments aswell, all sorts
What's your style? New age aggressive online type or old school mathematical? I work in Information Security and part of my work is social engineering gigs where I even worked with Law Enforcement to understand body language. Have you used something like that to your advantage? Most n00bs try to look for microexpressions when it's usually the feet and torso that are sure tells. So for huge winnings, how do you stash it away? Deposits of less than $10k in different accounts? What's your educational background and before you decided to make this your living, what was your work profile? Did you start of at casinos or was it always clubs? My style is and has always been tight aggressive. I'm very selective with my hands, everything has to go into consideration. Micro expressions are good of you pick it up and you're right about the 'happy feet' and torso. There are many many tells to pick up on in addition to timing and betting patterns and tilt factor. All those things give away valuable information. Figuring out what to do with the money is always a good problem to have and im business/street savy so I find options. I went to Baruch University and ran my first game in the school lol. We actually made the papers. I dropped out to open a clothing boutique (investment came from poker) It was always clubs and casinos were secondary but still profitable.
I'm reading this while in class at Baruch, I remember people used to play in the 3rd floor game room, but they seemed too good so I never got involved. Yep gameroom .. Where it all began. We had official tables there and everything!
What do you mean by happy feet/ torso? how can you see this at the table or casino? You can't see happy feet in most cases. Torso movement you can pick up by the shirt moving, it also depends on how close you are to the villain.
Hey, thanks for the AMA, just a few questions. Do you still consider it gambling or has it become another form of employment? Also what's your average income? Does it frighten you that you may lose a lot of money due to pure chance? Biggest win/loss? What are your thoughts on online poker? If given the opportunity would you choose another job? I havent considered it gambling since i got a real grasp of the game. I don't gamble. Never played a table game, scratch off. I won't even play lotto. All my friends are degenerates so I know the deal. My biggest win was 56k but I was being staked so gave away 60%. Biggest loss is 2k. Online poker is free money if you know what you're doing. A bunch of my close friends moved to Canada just to be able to play, 4 guys combined bankroll over 2 mill. I've gone too far in poker to walk away from it. It's like 2nd nature, most places would rather me not play because I'm a tightass or parasite in their eyes lol.
What was the buy-in on the stake game? I usually play 2/5 or 5/5 and sit down with a nickel ($500) Sometimes there are really good 1/3 games and I sit with 300.
being staked. Sorry - what does that mean? Yea it's when someone buys you into the game and get a % of the profits but covers the loss entirely in the event of a loss. I only let people stake me in bigger games I wouldn't normally play with my own money.
Knowing the games like you do, what is the lowest bankroll you'd consider having to sit at a $2/5 table? I go with the 20/25 buy-ins rule because I've went on bad runs before and I would rather have the insurance. So you if buyin for 300 to sit comfortably I want to have at least 6k to work with. Most people dont follow any kind of bankroll management and go broke over and over again.
What happens if you lose all the money? I understand they get nothing back but is that really what happens or do you have to pay a little back to them as a show of goodwill? Or do they just bust you kneecaps and call it even? Nope lol, stop watching Sopranos .. They take the hit as a bad investment. So far im up with all my backers
You have never had to pay makeup? Nope.
How about ARod? I've heard he's been to these underground spots on occasion. I was at the club when he was playing. You would be surprised how many celebrities I met at games. I have met more in clubs than in casinos.
What is the culture of these games like, or does it vary wildly? I saw some elderly Jews in your pictures - is that typical, or are there businessmen, or mostly gambling types? Do women play? Do you often play against the same people or does it cycle out fairly regularly? If I WERE to, ahem, get involved in these games, how what would I want to look for in a "good" room vs. a "bad" room, if there are such categories? I guess, what makes you prefer one place over another? They vary very wildly. Most places are a mixed crowd especially since nyc is a big melting pot. There are also games that are all albanian or asian etc.. One of the biggest factors in game selection is the rake/chop. There are some games that flat out rake 10% with no cap.they do this because they give out credit and because they are greedy. A good realistic rake for a city 1/2 or 2/5 is 10% with a $15 cap. Also you want to play against action players not tight ass grinders.
How many games are typically going on (say, in Manhattan alone) a weeknight vs. a weekend? It sounds like you've been around a while - do you have any sense of roughly how many people in the NY area are doing what you do, i.e. making living off these games? Dozens? Hundreds? More? At any given time from 8pm to 4am there are dozens of live cash games going on. Weekends most places open up earlier than weekdays because of the usual working clientele.
How would you compare the average skill level? For example, if you play online what stakes would you compare these games to? The skill level now is tougher than it was 5 years ago. When ESPN had poker on all the time it was literally free money if you knew anything. Now bad players lost tons of money and tightened up, still plenty of money to go around if you know where to look.
The most common games especially in the city are 1/2NL and 2/5NL .. Although the past year or so Omaha and rotation have been gaining momentum because it's so much more action.
Instead of putting up with 10% $15 cap rake, why don't you just take the bus/train/drive to AC and play at the Borgota? I go to ac and Parx frequently but you CANNOT compare the action in clubs vs. casinos
Meaning the action in casino's is more? Right? So why would you not want to play in them? The action in clubs is more.
Borgata or Parx: which do you prefer, and which has the better action for a moderate-skilled 1/2 player? Also, Casino 1/2 PLO; is the preflop action as heavy as it's rumored to be? I've heard that at Borgata, typical preflop PLO pot is $70. I get to Parx in a hour, borgata in 2. I would go to Borgata for the weekend and give it 3 solid sessions. Borgata has more talent but there's still money for the taking in 1/2. The 2/5 in Parx is juicy if you go at the right time. Well yea in a action packed game it's going to be potted preflop. Te underground games it gets repotted often, W I L D.
I would think you have more experienced players in clubs, where you need to know people to even be allowed in the game, than the casino, where someone can wonder over from the slots. Word spreads quick especially with free rolls and stuff so people brings friends and friends of friends.
So how is Teddy KGB doing these days? Prick still owes me 2 dimes.
I see you smoke reefer. Is drug use something you see often? Are you willing to share if that answer is yes? Yes and yes I guess.. It goes w the territory, there used to be games that would spark up the entire table nonstop.
How much money have you made? I don't even want to know how much I'm up lifetime because i spent so much money doing crazy stuff. I used to not keep track but I average 2k a week for 3 1/2 nights work, cash obviously. I should've been saving but for 5 years I was making more because of action and more bad players. Also, going around the world, crazy shopping and living life.
How are you making so much from 1/2 a week? is bluffing a big part of your game? I still dont know how to incorporate it into the 1/2 cash games since most people are willing to call you light. I play 1/2s in Brooklyn. It's a younger crowd and they're either overplaying or scared money.
Do you launder your money at all? Only when I forget to take it out of my pockets.
You mentioned action at the clubs is way looser than that in casinos. What are we talking about here? Are there a lot of LAGs? Loose passive? How do you find out about the games? Are they open to anyone, or do you need an invitation or someone in the know to bring you in? How are you supposed to overcome a 10% uncapped rake? You need a huge edge over the table to make that work. Is the play that bad? Loose passive for the most part, business men that get out of work and want to fool around before going home. They won't even play, just fish. They are open if someone brings you in and vouches for you.
Where's the advice? We're all ears.. I was bluffing.
Let's say I wanted to host games. First, is there money in it? And how does the house get paid? How much would the house make from a typical game you go to? What does the house provide? Just a secure location and a dealer? Yes and waitress/massage girl. You can rake a % from every pot. You can also do a tournament with a fee say $100+$15 for the house. They make a fee thousand a night before expenses. Big games make alot.
What would the typical % per pot be? 5% with a cap is optimal for you so you won't affect the game much and still make a few.
Ever bang Famke Janssen? No but I wouldn't mind owing her money and have her come try to collect.
So you were setup by the house and not the players? Did they deal from the bottom or something? What hand did you lose with when you were 'set up'? I think I flopped a straight and he rivered a boat. He had a loaded deck, did a fake shuffle and ..
How could you tell you were being setup? 1st hand new deck, and house player beats cash player on the river suckout.
Damnnn... doesnt the deck get cut after every shuffle before the deal? I dunno the typical underground shuffling/dealing routines so I really am curious. If they can fake a shuffle they can fake a cut too eh. Although; I'm assuming there aren't permanent dealers unlike what you'd find in a casino. When a new dealer comes in every 30minutes they have a deck. They're supposed to fan it out and show the players, sometimes they'll just wash or shuffle to speed things up.
While it looks suspicious I don't think that's enough info to conclude that the hand was rigged. I've seen suck outs like that in casinos yet nobody ever would make that conclusion but because it's an underground game suck out on the river is a set up? Aren't you jumping into conclusions too early? Or did you actually see more suspicious hands which added up to the whole game looking suspicious? I've taken nasty beats as well. In Vegas I lost w quads twice in one night (no BBJ) it just didn't add up, i felt a very bad vibe and I took a shot and approached the guy. He could've denied and taken his stand but he folded instead.
Could you talk about the 1998 movie "Rounders," and how realistic/not realistic the movie was? Surprisingly realistic to some degree.
Was it really based on norm macdonald? Does a zebra have spots?
Some might.. still doesn't answer the question. I'm not aware of any Norm McDonald connection.
Thanks for doing this AMA. What do you think the biggest weakness in your game is? Do you ever pick up on live tells? I havent really been able to spot any and wonder if there is anything to it. Do you love the rounding life? Regret it? My biggest weakness is not playing more often. I do well so I only play 3/4 times a week because of gf, family, business ventures and life. Also I usually cash out once I triple up. I figure if I book a win for a thousand im satisfied, sometime I should stay of game is juicy. I pickup new tells every session. My people reading skills are definitely up to par. The money is good but the lifestyle around it is crazy .. The late night hours and characters involved. I don't regret it for a second, poker has been supporting me for a long time and has given me a flexible schedule to do other things on the side like go on reddit lol.
Thanks for the response! The one pattern I have noticed is if I play 4-5 days in a week my level of play seems to go down. Then if a take a break for a few days I always come back to stronger. I guess regarding tells there really are no global signs and its just very person specific? Caros book of tells.. Use that as your foundation
Hey man, thanks for the AMA. Enjoyed reading it so far and have a few questions. Do you still enjoy playing? Is it more work now, or a bit of both? I ask as you mentioned you don't play too much. What's the biggest misconception, or thing that people get totally wrong about what you do? A lot of people here / on Reddit will ask about playing like a pro, but only for use in their house playing against friends and family. Would there be any more general advice you'd give to people in this situation about which aspects of their game to aim to improve? Cheers. More work now .. People that dont know me and they don't know the grind just think I gamble it up trying to get lucky. I sit and wait then keep sitting and waiting and think and analyze players. Lot of information gets processed I before I even get involved. It takes me at least an hour or so to get a feel for the game. Be aggressive!
I just started playing poker, doing usually 6 table micros on LockPoker or so, and coming out for the most part winning. I have the hardest time with implied odds though, and using them accurately to calc EV and such. Can you explain them a little to me? Its just not second nature to me yet. I played a .5/1 live cash game last night and busted, it sucked but I guess its fine, last time I went I came out hundreds up, How do you deal with the bad beats? I have read mostly every 'good' poker book, but what one would you suggest I re-read? If you are playing in underground rooms, do you skip (some/all) taxes? Name on 2+2? I just got back an hour ago from a long night, I'm sorry I don't want to type novels about ev or implied odds (google it) .. I deal with bad beats very well. I do NOT get emotional, if it's normal bad beat i simply play as if nothing happened. I'll actually get more action from the table because they assume I'm steaming. If its a huge monster bad beat I either cash out or take a trees timeout, that does the trick. No clue about the book, I've read and analyzed them all and you can extract valuable info from even the worst one, it's all about the experience on the table on my eyes. I have a side business for tax purposes.
What is the business? I import merchandise and sell on amazon/ebay and to retailers
How old are you? How did you start finding these games? How long have you been playing poker? 27, I was 18 when I first discovered what goes on behind shady looking doors.
Talk etiquette. Is everyone friends? If not, are you friendly with these strangers, or is it all business? Do you shake hands, joke around, etc, or sit down, play and leave? Very friendly usually.
I see a big jewish community, as a palestinian will i get harrased if i go to one of these clubs? Not at all. Somehow everyone blends well in poker games. I know a lot of palestinians that play on the regular.
What would be the best way for a beginner to improve their game? Any specific books that you would recommend? Super system thoroughly to get your brain thinking about it. There are plenty of very good forums online (2plus2). Plenty of resources out there.
How much time do you put in studying the game away from the tables? I've always heard that for every 4 hours you play, you should spend 1 hour studying (reviewing notes, reading the books, 2+2, etc). Is that an accurate ratio? I've read all the books and go on forums all the time. I don't really have a ratio
How much do you rely on math in your play? I have a strong math/statistics background, I just finished reading Mathematics of Poker by Chen and Ankenman. It covered basic probability, bayesian probability, game theory, and heuristics for quick calculations. Do you find yourself using this stuff or is your play more intuitive? My play is more intuitive.
How much do you usually go in the room with and how much do you take out? Since every place knows me and I'm not stupid I dont walk in with cash just in case spmething goes down. If I lose I just take care of it after the game or day after. I usually have 3 bullets of 500 each. That's for an average 2/5 or 5/5 to sit down comfortably.
Do you give lessons? If so how much? I gave pointers to friends and have helped people bring their skill level up. Me and some friends were thinking of marketing private poker lessons but im too lazy. If you're close by I wouldn't mind helping you, what's your offer?
Thanks for your input, gambling is not allowed in this sense in iceland so there is no culture for that, from as neutral or personal of a standpoint that you can manage, do you think gambling in this sense is good for a society/community or does it make t worse? I don't know about society but I'm glad poker is around.
My question is how deep is Chinatown? I have heard there is gambling behind every Canal Street store creating almost a second level. Can you confirm and describe any of the places you have been in Chinatown? That was not so recent. I'm sure i could find games in c town but they all speak chinese and I definitely don't trust that.
Do you have alligator blood? Also how does one find these games? You gotta be in the loop and I'm not sure about the blood, gotta ask my primary care physician to be sure.
So presumably a lot of guys are making their living money this way? Where does the money come from? How do rubes get into the game (so that they can give you their money)? Actually most people at these games come to gamble and hangout.
What's your cover story? Do you work a day job to keep up appearances, or do you just try not to live too extravagantly and draw too much attention? Does your girlfriend/family know this is what you do? Yes they know what I do and I do daytime work as well. I definitely calmed down compared to how I used to live.
Is dealing at things like these done how movies depict it or how you would at a house game, with the "dealer" role actually moving with the button? Or is there a dedicated dealer for each game? Curiosity as a casino dealer. Same as a casino dealer.
Do you ever splash the pot? No but it's on my bucket list.
Biggest pot you were involved in? Win it? 38k pot .. Won 56k that session but I was being staked so only kept 40% .. Still booked a monster win so couldn't complain.
Wow awesome, do you look up to any pros? would you play HU with any of them if you had the br? My style is more for a full table. I know a bunch pros personally and I invite them to games when they are in town. I fly to vegas on the regular just don't want to move there because I have too much stuff going on here.
Tips on finding these games? if i live in a different state. Ask around? I can smell a game and I can pick out a poker player out of a crowd .. I'm a sick child.
What was your revelation in the game? I mean what insight really opened up your game and made you a good player instead of an average player and seperated you from the mass? I started out dealing before playing for real. After a few months I noticed that players are making plenty of mistakes I could make them pay for. I slowly started grinding and found my style and it's been working for me for a long time. It's just a grind, you wait for your prime opportunity then you maximize and wait again.
Most profitable exploit? Reraising a tilted aggressor with a set if you know he hit anything good.
Lol. step one. flop set. step two... make sure villian has something good and is on tilt. step 3.. raise. Yes, huge exploit you discovered there. Maybe you can give me a good example and I'll put it into use lol.
What's your best advice on becoming better in general at poker? Absorb as much information as possible and actually apply it! Find your leaks and seal them
Hi thanks for doing this. 2 questions. How did you fund your initial bank roll? What is a good way to work on reading people? I organized a house game and raked a little bit and went from there. Caros book of tells and just start watching people. Look at the flop and your hole cards last, first watch players and pickup info to use. You'll get used to it after awhile.
How good are you at online poker? Definitely rusty havent played for real in years.
What do you generally buy in with for a 5/5 NL? I usually buy in whatever the average stack is. If the biggest chip stack is a fish then I'll buyin for the max. $500 is the usual amount early in the night/game.
Is there anything you do to maintain your health? Sitting for hours while eating junk food and stressing over hands must take a toll on your body. I don't eat junk food and I try not to stress. I workout 5 days a week and play plenty of sports.
Is it "card-shark" or "card-sharp"? Shark.
How to you keep from going on tilt after losing a massive all in 80/20 ? I'm used to the bad beats. It's part of the game man.
How did you build your initial bankroll? I started out running a house game without any intention of playing for a income and once the game died out and I had about $800 and didn't look back m. Never went broke either, I'm owed plenty though.
You mentionned robberies/raids and it never involving the players , im wondering is your money somehow ( insured ) even in the case of a robbery by the hosts ? 99% of the time you wont get your money back, that why I dont walk in with cash. There has been cases where the house gives players money back out of their own pocket but usually people take advantage and lie about the amounts lost.
Do you play on Merge? I don't know what that is. I don't play online since they closed main sites I down years ago.
Ah, yeah just the network that US players use now. Was up in Canada last week playing on my dad's Pokerstars account. Goddam do I miss that shit. It'll be back.
Let's hope! :) Anyways in regards to your thread: what are some of the bigger names you've played with in these underground games? Players or celebrities?
Players. Matusow, jamie gold, Ivey for 5 minutes. Lots of Internet pros, sry I'm tired can't think straight lol.
When you play can you calculate in your head the number of outs, pot/implied odds and EV? I can roughly calculate the number of outs in certain hands and maybe pot odds, but it's still gets my head spinning. It boggles my mind that people can do that much number crunching in their heads every hand they are in, so I wonder if serious players actually do it? I ballpark it.
Is your thinking along the lines of "I have X many cards to make my hand, if I call $X I can win $X" and make your decision on that? That's about as far as I am right now with my thinking. For example, if I'm facing a call and I need one card to make a flush and say I need to call $3 to make $30, I will usually make the call. Is that proper thinking? Give or take .. I do all the equations in my heads during the actions while trying to read players and order a drink from waitress as I smoke a cigarette
As someone who lives an hour from AC, I can confirm that Asians love to gamble. Because they can't drive properly on the way there?
Do you ever plan on "retiring". If so, what will you? Sure why not.
I went to the casino last weekend for the first time. I went into the poker room and sat down at a 1-1 table with $60. As soon as I sat down I completely forgot how to play. I have been playing since I was like 8. I just got so nervous for some reason. Did that ever happen to you? Have you ever gotten so nervous you completely forget what you're doing? No.
Why do you think super system is relevant to the current hold em game? Frankly, why do you think 5/5 live poker is interesting enough for an AMA? I don't know.
Word met up? i have a few friends in bk. Send me a pm.
Does the place get shaked down by the mob? A few games pay for 'protection'
What is the best advice you can give to a player suffering consecutive losses? I always felt I was decent at the game, but my record lately doesn't seem to agree with me. Take a break and analyze your game. Maybe the stakes aren't right maybe your game selection is off.
What is your current bankroll? About 55k.
At what point will you move to 5/10? (i'm assuming these clubs run 1000NL, right?) I play 5/10 if a friend refers a juicy soft game to me.
The Sands casino in Bethlehem, PA has real juicy 5/10 action. $1500 max. I never had a chance to go. I'm going to check it out this coming weekend.
I'm curious about this.. I would never expect big faces in an underground scene especially since they probably know plenty of ("home") games. Why take a risk (seems like a small risk from what OP has been saying) when they can just play legit. Action and credit and comfort of it. Trees alcohol strippers whatever the players want basically.
You should crosspost this to /poker How can I do that? I'll give u poker advice in return.
I hope your not smoking them dutches also where in ny im in ny i want to play Bk all day.
Some horse/backer agreements will have a make-up or cake stipulation. The losses are originally eaten by the backer, but then a percentage of future wins goes towards paying back a percentage of the previous losses. True.
SPOILERS! I'm only on Season 2 :( He misses the gutshots :/
Came here to ask about robberies/raids. Go on.
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